http://caveatarchos.com/2007/11/29/a-response-to-sticking-it-to-the-man/ AIER Fellows Guide to Graduate School, the Economy and Good Places to Eat Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:31:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 http://caveatarchos.com/2007/11/29/a-response-to-sticking-it-to-the-man/#comment-48 Michael Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:49:04 +0000 http://caveatarchos.com/2007/11/29/a-response-to-sticking-it-to-the-man/#comment-48 FYI, my original post was "Barriers in Discussion." I can see some of your points, but it really depends on the conversation. What Marx said and believed compared to what Marxist say and believe today are two different things. For example, Marx and Engels valued the price system. "Only through the undervaluation or overvaluation of products is it forcibly brought home to the individual commodity producers what society requires or does not require and in what amounts. But it is precisely this sole regulator that the utopia advocated by Rodbertus among others wishes to abolish. And if we then ask what guarantee we have that necessary quantity and not more of each product will be produced, that we shall not go hungry in regard to corn and meat while we are choked in beet sugar and drowned in potato spirit, that we shall not lack trousers to cover our nakedness while trouser buttons flood us by the million..." (The Poverty of Philospohy, intro by Engels. Thomas Sowell is very good at pointing out the differences between Marx and Marxists. But the whole point of this topic was that several people with whom I've chatted set up producers as the capitalists and consumers as the proletariat. So I'll agree Marx didn't mean this, but when dealing with Marxists, they often don't know what he actually said. FYI, my original post was “Barriers in Discussion.”
I can see some of your points, but it really depends on the conversation. What Marx said and believed compared to what Marxist say and believe today are two different things. For example, Marx and Engels valued the price system.
“Only through the undervaluation or overvaluation of products is it forcibly brought home to the individual commodity producers what society requires or does not require and in what amounts. But it is precisely this sole regulator that the utopia advocated by Rodbertus among others wishes to abolish. And if we then ask what guarantee we have that necessary quantity and not more of each product will be produced, that we shall not go hungry in regard to corn and meat while we are choked in beet sugar and drowned in potato spirit, that we shall not lack trousers to cover our nakedness while trouser buttons flood us by the million…” (The Poverty of Philospohy, intro by Engels.
Thomas Sowell is very good at pointing out the differences between Marx and Marxists. But the whole point of this topic was that several people with whom I’ve chatted set up producers as the capitalists and consumers as the proletariat. So I’ll agree Marx didn’t mean this, but when dealing with Marxists, they often don’t know what he actually said.

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